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« Reply #180 on: December 10, 2004, 07:20:28 PM »


   There is not a site on the Internet which has a nicer bunch of people who also happen to know a LOT about movies. With that in mind, DRs, I would like suggestions for films to see which take place around 1774-75-76. I'm writing an opus which takes place around those years in Williamsburg and I'm curious to see how other screenwriters handled the language. I would think it has to be a bit of a cheat - suggesting how they spoke in Colonial days, but not exactly replicating it.


DRPanni,  perhaps these would help as well, not necessarily 1774-76, but mid-18th Century:
DRUMS ALONG THE MOHAWK
THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS
TOM JONES (Albert Finney)
REVOLUTION (Al Pacino)
THE DEVIL'S DISCIPLE (Kirk Douglas/Burt Lancaster)
THE CROSSING (Jeff Daniels?)
THE CLANDESTINE MARRIAGE (David Garrick play)
THE BEGGAR'S OPERA (Roger Daltry)
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« Reply #181 on: December 10, 2004, 07:21:47 PM »

[move=left,scroll,6,transparent,100%]PAGE SEVEN!  DANCE A CACHUCA, FANDANGO, BOLERO!![/move]
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« Reply #182 on: December 10, 2004, 07:24:30 PM »

Woo hoo! I turned in my last paper today. All I have left now is three finals.

And happy birthday, Dear Reader MBarnum! I drank a Cherry Coke today in your honor.
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« Reply #183 on: December 10, 2004, 07:24:40 PM »

The little boy downstairs has a visitor - little boy X 2 - and I do believe my head is going to explode.

Having two boys I was very aware of difference in the noise land energy evels when girls came to play-when the kids were young so no snide remarks. ;D
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« Reply #184 on: December 10, 2004, 07:24:51 PM »

Just a last quick stop by before bed time.

DR Panni, if you can find them, The Bastard (Pardon me but that is the title), The Rebels and The Seekers were three mini series that you might want to check out.  

All  were based on the books by John Jakes.  I don't know how true to history they are but I remember they were enjoyable.  

Have a good evening all!
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« Reply #185 on: December 10, 2004, 07:27:39 PM »

Sandra good luck on your finals.
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« Reply #186 on: December 10, 2004, 07:28:48 PM »

Here is a link to an audio book up for sale on E-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=29792&item=6938798262&rd=1

And here are the three video stories I spoke of:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=309&item=6348072348&rd=1

Hope these help!  :)
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« Reply #187 on: December 10, 2004, 07:30:56 PM »

DRPanni, I tried to email you this page, and it wouldn't go through, for media on the American Revolution:

http://www.patriotresource.com/resources/history/media.html
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« Reply #188 on: December 10, 2004, 07:41:08 PM »

Yesterday, someone said they could not access The Full Report daily posts - I have no problem accessing it and so I don't really know what the problem was or is.

Well, that someone was Little Me!

AND if I still check the Archives tonight, here's what I get, I swear to Dog!

Daily Column Archives

80,000 POSTS
BACK IN THE SWING OF THINGS
HAINES 57

THE RODRIGUEZ EFFECT
THE OOMPH FACTOR
PITH AND VINEGAR
LIKE A GAZELLE IN A MOSH PIT


So.... ain't that a good subject for a new mystery story?
Now, since you're in the US of A and I'm in the -- I quote -- OLD EUROPE, I can only see one person to blame: Dubya!

From this side of the Big Pond, I can firmly state:

THE FULL REPORT is missing!
Call the Army!
Call the Navy!
Call Me Madam!
BUT please do something!

How can we, Old Europeans, get our HHW report fix?!? (... and fixed!) ;)
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« Reply #189 on: December 10, 2004, 07:41:38 PM »

Panni:  In 1774, the colonies, being part of England, were peopled with British subjects.

Some, of course, had been here since the 1500s and 1600s, and all weren't exactly stiff-upper-lippers, but I think that, for the most part, there was a British lilt to most English that was spoken, except when it was spoken by the French.

"The Madness of King George" ought to be a nice place to start for how the British spoke (or not???) so far as we can surmise.

I don't think the colonists sounded like Henry Fonda in "Drums Along the Mohawk," and I'm danged sure they didn't sound like Al Pacino in "Revolution".  And forgive me, but...none of them surely spoke like Fess Parker in "Davy Crockett," mountain man though he may have been.  

As someone else suggested, "1776" is as good a place to visit and study as any...especially for the manner of speaking and the syntax.  Much of the book was taken from actual letters written by Adams and Jefferson and Franklin, IIRC.

There had to be some "colonial" variation on the King's English.  Whether anyone is conversant with it in terms of what it sounded like or not, I have no idea.

Of course, if your story happens to dip into the south, there are other "influences" that come into play....again, study "1776."  I remember reading somewhere that Vivien Leigh had little trouble at all picking up the southern accent of Scarlet O'Hara because it was "very close" to being the same English she spoke.  It's a matter of the way one treats vowels, isn't it!
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« Reply #190 on: December 10, 2004, 07:51:05 PM »

Sorry, but the French did not speak English there and then! No way!

Actually, for many years, many people in Louisiane spoke first and foremost French and were outraged when they were forced to learn and speak English!

They were told they would NOT be considered Americans if they did not speak English, while they were born in the States in the first place!
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« Reply #191 on: December 10, 2004, 07:59:27 PM »

Following info found:

http://www.breauxbridgelive.com/cajunhistory.html


While the Acadians remained the major population in South Louisiana for quite some time, they quickly found themselves surrounded by more and more cultural influences. Eventually, Spanish, French, German, and Native American Indian elements blended with the Acadian culture to form what is now known as Cajun (Cadien) culture. The French language remained the dominant language in South Louisiana until the early 20th century, when a state mandate forbade the speaking of French on the school grounds. Two generations of Cajuns were punished and made to feel ashamed for speaking French. Subsequently, the language (which is at the heart of the culture) nearly died. In 1968, the CODOFIL (Council for the Development of French in Louisiana) was formed and the tide began to turn. A renaissance of the French language was spurred by French immersion programs throughout South Louisiana. Today, thanks to the efforts of groups like CODOFIL, ACTION CADIENNE, the Cajun Music Association, L'ACadjin and others, the Cajun culture and French language is experiencing new prosperity.Vivre le français et vivre les cadiens!
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« Reply #192 on: December 10, 2004, 08:09:41 PM »

It's Friday night at 11:10pm and I'm still awake. That's a big deal, at least for me. We are both very tired from our daytime work but very satisfied that it's getting done.

We are having guests tomorrow and Anthony is busy cleaning and getting ready. I will go out tomorrow to make some last minute purchases before the arrival of said guests.

I will try to post a picture or two of Anthony's latest project (the one that kept him from attending BK's stellar reading on Monday), his miniature school room for students with special needs. He's got some great shots. Those of you who have seen his other work know whereof I speak.

Later (tomorrow for sure, no more tonight)
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« Reply #193 on: December 10, 2004, 08:16:18 PM »

Yes, I forgot to mention....it was an outstanding radio program!

Andrew Prine is most famous as Simon, King of the Witches!  

I thought he was most famous for his spread in VIVA.
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« Reply #194 on: December 10, 2004, 08:19:38 PM »

May I just inform you that Nicole Kidman was never going to do The Producers.  It was all publicity hype - she never signed to do it, or she would not be able to walk away now.  

All I have to say is "Now Ulla belt;" Nicole can't even SING!
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« Reply #195 on: December 10, 2004, 08:23:33 PM »

. . . and a very happy natal day to you, MBarnum!
(loved your chat with Peggy!)
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« Reply #196 on: December 10, 2004, 08:25:53 PM »

Was Ricky Martin in your bowl of menudo?

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« Reply #197 on: December 10, 2004, 08:27:24 PM »

As bk mentioned last week, Friday night audiences are the most unpredictable in the business. Last week, we could almost hear crickets chirping the audience was so quiet. Tonight, a full, raucous house who laughed at every arch of the eyebrow. Our best show of the run, of course.
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« Reply #198 on: December 10, 2004, 08:29:54 PM »

Got no DVDs watched today, but did clear off the DVR JOEY, WILL & GRACE, and CSI from Thursday night.
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« Reply #199 on: December 10, 2004, 08:46:06 PM »

Was Ricky Martin in your bowl of menudo?



Sorry td!
For once, I was first on the joke! ;)
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« Reply #200 on: December 10, 2004, 08:53:13 PM »

Good Evening!

-Sorry for being errant and truant the past 24 hours or so, I just didn't have access to a computer, thus the internet.  But now I do, and now I shall catch up on the Notes and Posts from today and yesterday...  Back in a few...

-And nice to see that we crossed the 80,000 threshhold!

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« Reply #201 on: December 10, 2004, 09:27:43 PM »

Was Ricky Martin in your bowl of menudo?



Ricky M. being such a dish himself, he can't be in a bowl! :)
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« Reply #202 on: December 10, 2004, 09:36:15 PM »

I cannot locate the missing column in the archives either François. You are not alone.
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« Reply #203 on: December 10, 2004, 09:53:39 PM »

Oh, thanks!

For a moment I thought I was crazier than I thought!
Oy!

(Have I just "said" Oy?!)
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« Reply #204 on: December 10, 2004, 09:55:34 PM »

Just used elmore's birthday card for Barnes and Noble and got the new Ken Bloom Broadway Musicals book, which I was leery of, oh, yes, I was leery, but which does indeed have some of the most breathtaking color photos of classic Broadway shows that I've ever seen.  It puts Steve Suskin's rather skimpy poster book to shame (also, it seems odd that Mr. Suskin takes a "by Steve Suskin" credit, since it's a book of posters with four-line commentaries about same).  I also got the huge new book, The Complete Cartoons of the New Yorker.  
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« Reply #205 on: December 10, 2004, 10:02:13 PM »

"The Full Report" is OK in the "Daily Discussions" but the Column is not to be found in the Archives. Very odd.
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« Reply #206 on: December 10, 2004, 10:07:07 PM »

I've written Mr. Mark Bakalor about the missing notes - we'll see if he can fix it.  Maybe it has something to do with when I was posting the notes early, but none of the other columns I posted early seems to be affected.
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« Reply #207 on: December 10, 2004, 10:12:20 PM »

Thanks for all the 1776 info, everybody. This certainly is not only the ginchiest but also the most helpful site on the Internet!
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« Reply #208 on: December 10, 2004, 10:16:02 PM »

Thanks BK. We love a mystery - and we love it to be solved.
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« Reply #209 on: December 10, 2004, 10:16:50 PM »

I was also going to suggest THE DEVIL'S DISCIPLE to DRPANNI - and wasn't there a movie about JOHN PAUL JONES with Robert Stack?

The Jakes tv series are good!

Hmmmmmm...DRDANISE - I didn't notice that he sang the Phantom songs higher than usual....
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