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THE FLY
« on: May 15, 2004, 11:56:21 PM »

Well, you've read the notes, you've gotten the buzz, you're ready to fly, and now it's time to post on a variety and also a hollywood reporter of topics.  To it, I say.
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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2004, 12:04:18 AM »

First Post!  Huzzah!!
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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2004, 12:05:53 AM »

Second Post!  Huzzah, again!

And in the words of Jane Curtain, "Good Night, and have a pleasant tomorrow."
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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2004, 12:06:46 AM »

Welcome seven GUESTS.  Happy Sunday to all.
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« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2004, 01:11:23 AM »

Good evening.
I had a rather busy evening.  First I went to a concert featuring my dear mother on vielle, an early music instrument.  Beautiful performances, especially by the soprano they had.  Simply a goregous lyrical voice.  
Then I caught a late show of Van Helsing with a few friends.  This was, I must say, an extraordinarilly bad movie, IMHO.  The dialogue was crap, the story had more holes than my nylons...the special effects were marvelous, of course.  It was fun to sit there and make comments about it.  Think Mystery Science Theater 3000.  There was one scene featuring "dracula's children" which bore a strong resemblance to the flying monkeys.  There was actually one scene where they were shown flying past a window of a castle.  I promptly leaned over to my friend and started humming the Wicked Witch theme from Wizard of Oz.  It was really too funny to be scary.
Anyway, that was fun.  Now off to bed.  
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« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2004, 02:17:29 AM »

The nice thing about Van Helsing is that it spurred Universal to re-release their Drackie, Frankie, and Wolfie flicks in well-packaged DVDs.  

Speaking of which, does anyone out there care for the Philip Glass score for Dracula?
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2004, 04:39:24 AM »

Hmmmmmmmm.....I have only heard a bit of the Glass score for DRACULA, it didn't seem to fit the movie I was watching, but maybe I should watch/listen to the whole thing.

I think DRPANNI may be onto something about the timing of the fly hatchings - which are very predictable a lot like Richard Hatch.

I like Hammer Films to an extent.  I don't buy too many of them, but one rather "late" Hammer Film that I like a LOT is PLAGUE OF THE ZOMBIES.   Very atmospheric with some fine acting and some creepy moments.

DRJOSE how does one "win" an underwear contest?  

Nice and cool this morning and hopefully it will be drier today than yesterday.

I have a CD of ASIB and WSS - the promo on TCM seems to indicate that the A STAR IS BORN CD will feature the original "pink" LP cover, the box set cover, but I don't know if it is a must have.  It does include some of the underscoring which my CD doesn't have.  Haven't heard anything about the necessity or the quality of a new WSS cd.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2004, 04:51:26 AM »

DRMH - thanks for the comment on my thread over at the DVD Place!
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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2004, 05:41:12 AM »

Speaking of which, does anyone out there care for the Philip Glass score for Dracula?

Not me.  I think the bare-bones, cobbled-together classical pieces heard briefly in Dracula work far better.  

Philip Glass's score is ponderous and overbearing...and worst of all, he succumbs to the present-day tendancy to saturate the movie with the score.  Sometimes, the most effective thing the music can do in a movie is to remain silent.  

And, the fact of the matter is that I've never been a big fan of minimalism.  There are some pieces I enjoy (like Glass's Songs from Liquid Days, and some Steve Reich works), but minimalism generally leaves me underwhelmed.
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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2004, 05:43:37 AM »

I saw my first cicada this morning!

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2004, 05:45:56 AM »

I hear ya, DRROBIN, and in some of the parts I listened to, the music didn't seem to have much to do with the action or the mood of the scene on the screen.

I would imagine that DRACULA was many young film fan's first introduction to SWAN LAKE.
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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2004, 05:47:01 AM »

Re: the re-broadcasts of Carol Burnett and Dick Van Dyke.

They will be on NEXT SATURDAY.

Dick Van Dyke: May 22, 9pm
Carol Burnett: May 22, 10pm

It's listed on the homepage at CBS.com.

http://www.cbs.com

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2004, 05:48:06 AM »

Kidman, Bennett and Blige Join Tony Telecast:

http://www.broadway.com/template_1.asp?CI=38587&CT=38
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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2004, 05:54:46 AM »

I think DRPANNI may be onto something about the timing of the fly hatchings - which are very predictable a lot like Richard Hatch.
Richard Hatch as in Survivor or Richard Hatch as in Battlestar Galactica?  They don't look alike.
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2004, 05:56:30 AM »

I saw my first cicada this morning!
Your first ever, or your first this year?

I've never seen one.
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« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2004, 06:33:43 AM »

BK wrote:  "I thought the Dick Van Dyke and Carol Burnett things were going to be rerun tonight.  That's what people here said.  They most certainly were not rerun, not that I can see, unless they were on some channel that I don't know."


No, sir, I did NOT say that. I said they were being rerun A WEEK FROM SATURDAY which would make it Saturday night the 22nd.

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2004, 06:42:39 AM »

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/040517/misc/17photog.htm

If you remember THE ROBBER BRIDEGROOM and THE MYSTERY OF EDWIN DROOD, the article above compellingly tells the tale of the fate of Jana Scneider, a cast member of both, who has fallen onto harder times than Tonya Pinkins.
The article is mesmerizing and depressing, but must certainly be read.
A DR sent me the link this morning, so, I share it with the rest of the DRs; it is quite a tale.  
I believe it falls under the heading, "Truth IS stranger than fiction."
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« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2004, 06:46:04 AM »

Richard Hatch from the tv series BATTLESTAR GALACTICA thank you.

And my first cicada in this cycle.  
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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2004, 06:52:21 AM »

Very sad DR TD
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2004, 06:59:26 AM »

Very sad DR TD

You were warned. . .it is sad, it is compelling, and as they said on some tv show:  "It's all true."
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« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2004, 07:20:35 AM »

Good morning. My under the weather-ness seems to have gone over the rainbow. I feel normal again (relatively speaking - cousins, I think). Had a nice walk. So far it's overcast and a bit cool. Very pleasant.

Thank you for straightening out the Dick Van Dyke mystery, DR Jennifer. I do want to catch the show.
Off to shower...
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2004, 07:43:00 AM »

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However, I just watched Dracula Has Risen from the Grave and Frankenstein Must Be Destroyed, so I was in my Hammer mode. You know the old saying – if I had a Hammer, I’d Hammer in the morning, I’d hammer in the evening all over this land. Anyway, I was pretty disappointed with Dracula Has Risen and Frankie Must be Destroyed, so I didn’t hold a lot of hope out for Kronos.


Well, i won't go all vitriolic, but, i found FRANKENSTEIN MUST BE DESTROYED to be one of the best Hammer efforts.  Cushing's Frankenstein is the monster, as the script makes clear in many ways, most notably the rape scene.
FMBD does a nice Hitchcockian set piece, too, with the body in the garden and the busted water main.
Simon Ward - Young Churchill himself, seems a bit to beefy to be so put-upon, Hammer regular Shane Briant might have been more effective.
Veronica Carlson is perfect at the heroine, as is the creation (of brain transplanting, not, re-assembled body parts) of Freddie Jones, who was also very effective in David Lynch's THE ELEPHANT MAN.

Although it had a troubled history, Christopher Lee holding out for more money until filming was actually underway, DRACULA HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE is certainly not without its merits.
As a statement on Edwardian morality, it is a brilliant endeavor; HOWEVER, as a Dracula movie, it sucks.  Lee's Drac is given NOTHING to do but stare and scowl, the character does not even really belong to the film.
But, DHRftG is moodily photographed, has the chaste brothel scene which introduced the Count (not Drac) who SHOULD have been the antagonist, leading to the great scene in the "novelty" shoppe, with the films great array of character actors in their prime.  The Black Mass scene works well for me too. . .all those buttresses and stained glass create a truly eerie ambiance.  
Once Lee's Drac appears, though. . . .
There are still some great-ish scenes all linked to a "sins of the fathers" theme.  The sexual tension when the daughter is forbidden to go out for the evening, and might suffer a whipping is intense even for a Hammer film.

Both films look great on dvd, audio-wise, though, DHRftG has a better soundtrack.

It's been a while since I looked at CAPTAIN CRONOS, but, I remember being very impressed with Paramount's presentation on dvd.  And, it has Shane Briant, too.  It's a comic book, though more, graphic novel inlfuenced film, which should have started a series.  It features a very enigmatic leading character, deliberately so.  There are times when it reminds me of THE CONQUERER WORM, just the mood, not the violence, and I know I'll watch it again.  
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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2004, 08:06:02 AM »


If you remember THE ROBBER BRIDEGROOM and THE MYSTERY OF EDWIN DROOD, the article above compellingly tells the tale of the fate of Jana Scneider, a cast member of both, who has fallen onto harder times than Tonya Pinkins.
The article is mesmerizing and depressing, but must certainly be read.
A DR sent me the link this morning, so, I share it with the rest of the DRs; it is quite a tale.  
I believe it falls under the heading, "Truth IS stranger than fiction."

DR TD, thank you for this link. It's a fascinating situation, and my heart bleeds for her.  I remember her in DROOD quite well, and I assumed she was one more performer who headed west to LA, married, had a family, left the busness, went back to school, I've worked with people who've chosen many of these options, and you wonder, whatever happened to . . .?

I did dinner theatre back in the 1970s, and one of the actors I worked with ended up in LA as a semi-regular on MURPHY BROWN.  I haven't seen him in anything since then, but I'm sure he's working.  Another actor in that same production came to New York around 1979 and was killed by hitmen during a landlord-tenant dispute over his boyfriend's apartment.

I worked on a Kern gala in the mid-1980s with an actress in NINE, who left the business to become a lawyer, as did an actress I worked with at Goodspeed in THE CHOCOLATE SOLDIER.

I was friendly with an actor in the 1980s who claimed to be the son of a famous tv actor.  I saw him about four years ago, completely strung out, asking friends for money, and unable to complete a sentence.  

Several years ago, there was a homeless man living on my block who hung out at the local video store.  He was always showing the clerks gay porn video boxes of his "career":  Bill Eld.  He made his living collecting empty cans and bottles.

I hope whatever demons are controlling Miss Schneider can be put exorcised.

On another note, I still want Hammer's VAMPIRE CIRCUS on DVD!  Whenever I go to  Amazon.co.uk, I get so angry over DVD releases elsewhere that haven't yet made it to Region 1.  I can order a CD with no problem, but I can't do much about DVDs until I get a player that takes any region.  Vewwy fwustwating.

 





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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2004, 08:16:25 AM »

I hear you on Region 2 DVD's.  MR BK is always writing about the things we can't see....but he does encourage us to get an all region DVD player which is readily available....so we have been told.

HEY!!  When did TCM begin broadcasting in stereo?  I noticed it yesterday and this morning HIT THE DECK is in nice 5.1.  I didn't notice it last month in KISMET?  Is this something new, or has my cable system just started it?

Thank goodness....now TCM is complete!
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2004, 08:41:19 AM »

Just read the story of Jana Schneider. Such a sad, sad evolution to where she is now. I remember her so vividly in DROOD. Sad, sad, sad.
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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2004, 08:50:52 AM »

This is for the merry searchers, and all of the other FIGS here.
From James M. Barrie's PETER PAN IN KENSINGTON GARDENS:

The Gardens are a tremendous big place, wit millions and hundreds of trees; and first you come to the Figs, but you scorn to loiter there, for the Figs is the resort of superior little persons, who are forbidden to mix with the commonality, and is so named, according to legend, because they dress in full fig.  These dainty ones are themselves contemptuously called Figs by David and other heroes, and you have a key to the manners and customs of this dandiacal sextion of the Gardens when I tell you that cricket is called crickets here.  Occassionally a rebel Fig climbs over the fence into the word, and such a one was Miss Mabel Grey, of whom I shell tell you when we come to Miss Mabel Grey's gate.  She was the only really celebrated Fig.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2004, 08:53:40 AM »

I guess that's what makes horse racing, Td.  Actually, from your description, it sounds like you're talking about a different film than the DHRFTG that I watched.  These new Warner DVDs sport very nice transfers - just wish I liked those two films.  I DO adore the Karnstein trilogy (The Vampire Lovers, Lust for a Vampire, and Twins of Evil, I like Plague of the Zombies and The Devil Rides Out, too.
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2004, 08:58:17 AM »

SPOO!  DRACULA HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE is a take on Edwardian RELIGION, not morals. . .i'm bad.  TASTE THE BLOOD OF DRACULA is the take on morality. . .
I like them both, and that's what makes horse racing.
I'm very fond of the scores of these Hammer films too.
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2004, 08:58:59 AM »

Good Morning!

I'm about to rush around again since I stayed in bed longer than I should have this morning... again... ah, but I still have a good chunk of time to get ready to head in for the matinee.

I'm just trying to decide if I want to see SENOR DISCRETION HIMSELF over at Arena Stage tonight.  It will be my last chance to catch the show, and since I have a bunch of friends in the show, etc...  I guess I'll just see how I feel after playing the matinee today...  But I think the "guilts" will kick in, and I will be catching tonight's show before heading back to Richmond for the "weekend".

So, if I do end up catching the show tonight, I will not be able to be a part of the chat here on HHW tonight.  Consider this my "note". ;)  -But I'm sure you'll have a sparkling and scandalous time without me.  ;D

Well, that's all my mind can come up with at this point and time...

Laters...
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2004, 09:00:38 AM »

What's your take on THE ELEPHANT MAN, BK?  Do you, as I, find it to be a tribute to Hammer through Lynchian eyes?

Terrance Fisher is an underrated director, he could have made a nifty film of THE ELEPHANT MAN.

As you can see from my previous post, when I am wrong, I willingly admit it.

I hope that everyone is reading the piece on Jana . . .
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